DirecTV hacking is dead?

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DirecTV hacking is dead?

For the past few years DirecTV has employed a variety of encryption techniques to keep people from getting free service. Every level of protection DirecTV has used has been eventually hacked, but this week underground DirecTV hackers learned that their card hacks had died and the early prospects of hacking the newest technology isn't looking good. Their communities are currently freaking out (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16) but promising fixes someday. Time will tell if the underground satellite hacking community figures out a way to deconstruct it, I suspect someone, somewhere will figure out a way to break the security.

Personally, when I first got my DirecTiVo a couple years back I took a look at the satellite hacking underground to see what it was like. From what I saw, these guys put so much time and effort into it that it seemed pointless. I'm a big fan of opportunity cost, I'd rather just pay DirecTV $40 a month than tweak code for hours every night that also requires hundreds of dollars worth of shady electronics equipment.

by Matt Haughey April 16, 2004 in News

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these guys put so much time and effort into it that it seemed pointless

Hacking is not about getting something for nothing. Indeed, its far from just `stealing cable.` Its learning about a system in such intimate detail that you understand how to change it and make it better. DirecTV will do what it's in their interest to protect their business. The hackers will do what's in their interest to understand the system. Anyone who's into it for the free PPV deserves to get pinched.

Posted by: dendrite at Apr 16, 2004 4:18:17 PM

Yeah, I understand the underlying motivation to play with stuff and hack things in the classic sense. I just remember my parents had one of the old giant satellites when I was a kid, and when stuff started to turn pay-only, he had this shady system of secret codes and hardware that ended up costing hundreds of dollars while it was only reliable about 3 out of 4 weeks in a typical month (since they would scramble the codes once/month which required hackers to decrypt the new codes). I don't believe any system is completely unhackable and I think hacking is a worthwhile pursuit, but people looking for free PPV are deluded if they think this stuff is worth it.

Posted by: Matt Haughey at Apr 16, 2004 4:31:25 PM

I'm with you, Matt. I've pimped out my DirecTiVo with additional storage, CacheCard, TiVoWebPlus, extracting recordings, the works... but I made the choice early on that DTV piracy just wasn't for me. The cost involved (not necessarily in money but in time spent needed to stay on top of all the latest updates) just wasn't something I was eager to take on. I like to be able to kick back and watch TV without anxiety that the signal might go out right before the big game. My wife puts up with a lot of my hacking projects, but put "Sex and the City" into jeopardy and I think she'd have a right to object. DTV is pretty committed against service theft (can't blame them) and I'm betting they won't lay off the pirates anytime soon.

I've got plenty of friends who feel otherwise, however. And so they are constantly forced to stay on top of the scene, scavenge through messageboards, wait for "their guy" to come by and flash their cards... and/or live in fear that they'll get the dreaded DirecTV extortion letter. It ends up being just a whole 'nother time-sucking project to stress out about. More often than not, these folks just enjoy the "feeling" they get knowing they have all the channels and PPV events without having to pay for it. Yet how much of it do they actually watch? If they added up the "true" cost of the shows they actually watched, my gut tells me it would add up to less than the amount they think.

That said, with TiVo getting my back, it's not like I'm searching for more content to watch anyway... I'm overwhelmed as it is! TiVo maximizes the usefulness of my "Total Choice + HBO" package, by gleaning the best of the best and letting me watch it on my own schedule. As a result, I don't even have time nor interest for PPV movies or NetFlix.

The one thing I am jealous of though, is that they get access to both east and west coast feeds of local channels. This is something you can't even pay for, you have to get "network waivers" and it's a dicey, arbitrary affair. I've only been granted ABC (whoop-de-do) but I'd really appreciate NBC or CBS.

Posted by: Josh at Apr 17, 2004 11:00:38 AM

I've been assured by a company, that sells subscriptions to the files that are using for hacking, that the P4 cards will be hacked and ready in a couple of weeks.

Also after doing a little research on a site (dsshelper.com) that isn't listed above, I've come to realize that DishNetork is a much easier hack. In fact one guy there claims he's been up for over a year.

For me, as well as most people I know that hack, it's not about stealing at all. It's about getting those channels mentioned above. It's about getting that you CAN'T pay for. There are some channels you you are not allowed to buy for whatever reason.

Lately I've come to realize that there are plenty of east and west coast feeds of the networks on the FTA satellites. Even more on C-Band (big dish). And it's all free once you buy your equiptment.

Guess where I'm going next?

Posted by: anonymous at Apr 18, 2004 3:30:14 AM

"I've been assured by a company, that sells subscriptions to the files that are using for hacking, that the P4 cards will be hacked and ready in a couple of weeks."

I'm assuming the same people telling you this, are the same people that are claiming a digital tv descrambler will be out in a couple weeks.

Get over it, they have known about the P4 for quite awhile and haven't been able to crack it. Just like the descrambler community has hit a wall with digital cable.

Frankly the hacking community is about stealing.

The truth is only a VERY SMALL percentage of the hacking community actually does the real hacking. The rest of the community just uses scripts written by the minority to get something for nothing.

The coders that write the scripts, and defeat DirecTV's attempts to thwart piracy are the ones that are doing it for the "learning" and thrill of hacking. The rest of the people are just pirates, pure and simple. What is piracy? Stealing.

Posted by: Carl at Apr 18, 2004 8:19:20 AM

I was just browsing today through this site when I noticed this particular comment. I went on to read all the comments and everyone has a good point. First of all I agree with Carl in the sense that there are many people who are just script kiddie's, but I disagree with the thought that the majority of the hacking community is about stealing. The hacking community is about learning, and script kiddie's are just one small percentage of it. Second of all , the hacking community is one that isnt just after breaking security to get "free stuff" but it is responsible for the security that protects todays global economy. I do believe that these "profiting gluttons" are looking for trouble when they expect someone to pay 100+ dollars for TV. Furthermore its is just a matter of time until this card is hacked, there is no such thing as unhackable......

Posted by: Roge at Apr 23, 2004 4:59:09 PM

Quote from anonymous "Posted by: anonymous at April 18, 2004 03:30 AM

"I've been assured by a company, that sells subscriptions to the files that are using for hacking, that the P4 cards will be hacked and ready in a couple of weeks."

I'm assuming the same people telling you this, are the same people that are claiming a digital tv descrambler will be out in a couple weeks.

Get over it, they have known about the P4 for quite awhile and haven't been able to crack it. Just like the descrambler community has hit a wall with digital cable."

This quote only shows how little you truly know about how deep the internet "rabbit hole" goes. The P-4 IS hacked. I HAVE seen it first hand, and it's secret is kept as such to a select few to avoid further unecessary ECM's. But all of those generic sites listed above ARE scrambling, because they have no talent. Trouble is you can't Google search your way into a secured site with invites only. Don't think Directv has squashed all Piracy w/ it's new P4 & p5 cards. They've just hampered the bulk of it. Rest assured, piracy is still around and sucessful, even with the P4, but reserved for the select few.

Posted by: Smoke at Apr 23, 2004 7:51:38 PM

Understanding the cash to be made from a P4 unlock, it makes sense that those with the keys need to maximize their gratuities and secure control as long as possible prior to mass release. When is there a better time than now?

Posted by: Rick at Apr 24, 2004 7:23:11 PM

Pay the Pirates, or pay the Programmers... typically its cheaper to pay the pirates. The programmers are way over priced. As said earlier in the thread.. who watch's it all.. I'm not saying the ppv's should be included.. but they should have a flat rate for everything.. "even the other cities local" at a resonable cost say $80 a month for everything except ppv's. NO ONE would bother to hack.. could you imagine if DTV got the $80 skins a month from all who pirate? Wow.. or say even $40skins a month for someone who only wants the trimmed down package.. all of the satellite providers have targeted it wrong as far as I see it. Make it affordable.. make it not worth pirating.

You can bet.. a p4 and p5 fix are already at hand.. I say this with no knowledge of the current situation.. but from being involved in the VCII and VCII+ days.. the hack is already here.. its jus a matter if the finders/builders/fixers can make a few skins..

Look at history.. the F card came out.. it was a bit pricey... the H card came out.. it was more fair... the HU card came out and it was asicly free.. the finders/builders/fixers aren't going to release the p4 or p5 unless they know they are going to get a few skins for the time that they've invested.. the money that they've lost etc.. and for those from the earlier days.. yes VCII+ fixes did come out.. some hidden some squashed by GI (bought up to never hit the market) so.... if you thin a p4 or p5 won't show up your dreaming. However if it does show up look for DTV to use different tactics to combat it this time.. by the hack up... etc.. what happen to BlackCipher.. the almost legal replacement for the VCII and II+... its a no brainer.. but it is a matter of time untill release shows profit for the guru's that cracked it.

Advocate of unfair satellite pricing.
Ben Dover
TN. USA

Posted by: Ben Dover at Apr 27, 2004 8:29:08 PM

I have not seen the P4 hack - but I have used the P4 work around, and it is available if you know where to get it. Technology allowing the workaround is not similar in any way to the HU card which used glitching as it's core.

Why don't I think it's widely available;
- people releasing it need to make $$$ of it, cost is high, production is non-existent (required hardware that is).
- easy of use that people have enjoyed with Extreme HU is definetly not there. (Introducing the P4 card to the stream requires preping the card - similar time to Extreme HU, then introducing the card to the stream in a "controlled manner" which took me over 18 HOURS !!!)

Posted by: justsomegirl at Apr 28, 2004 12:59:01 PM

as long as its out there, someone will hack it, happens with everything, Ms guaranteed they had the most secure O/S, and yet had big security holes. the new p4 cards are just waiting to be hacked, and they will, its just a matter of time, like good wines

Posted by: Tom at Apr 28, 2004 7:26:23 PM

Posted by: Tom at Apr 28, 2004 7:30:17 PM

There is no P-4 hack right now... So, if you come across a webste that clams they have one they are scammers and there is a lot of them out there right now. If someone has it they are not telling anyone, and if they are not telling anyone then there isn't one.. Will it be hack??, more then likely, just when they can come up with it and find a way to release it without going to jail. And people who say they have seen it are lieing. Why would you come in here and say you seen it or have one but can offer it to anyone.. Well, I will tell you why, it is because they don't have it, just like to brag about something they don't have. Also when they do come up with one it will require all new hardware that is not avaible right now. You will not be able to use the stuff you use with the HU(p-3) card. And if there was a P-4 hack it will be known, may not be avaible, but would be known. As a member the the best dss website on he next atsdss.com there are too many people there in the busniess that it could be hidden. Also there is too much money it would make to hide it. But don't take me word for it, I just been around this game for around 5 years now. F card days. And sorry of any mistypes, had to do this quick..

Posted by: jd at Apr 29, 2004 8:44:46 AM

Many of you guys are making valid points about the large majority of the satellite hackers... I'd say about .1% of the "hacking" community have ever hacked anything themselves... if even that... I am fully confident a hack will come out within six months, if not sooner... with all the hardware out there for the hu, if someone had hacked the p4, there wouldn't be much room for it, due to the ease of programming the hu... it will take some time to become mainstream... but it is coming... i promise you that!

Posted by: tarded at Apr 29, 2004 3:05:55 PM

I myself just liket he free PPV..... I'm canadian and there is no trouble for the average joe who has a DTV system thats hacked and thats comes straight from our wonderfull government....
I find it really funny the guys saying its not for the free PPV's is why people hack the cards.... WTF listen to what yer saying you retards.... Thats the whole reason to hack the damn card is for the PPV...... Why pay 400 a month in porno charges when you can get it free if you the right equipment or "YOUR GUY".... Go ahead and pay your 300 bucks a month for your system because im happy spending 300 bucks for 2 years of mine....... As for the P4 card it will not take verry long to reverse engeneer the thing through the reciever to hack it for everyone.... You hae the old HU card and you transfer the codes and shit over to the new P4 card through yer reciever.... Only a matter of time for this so called "Script Kiddie" to have his free porn again...... Plus you guys prolly pay for yer DTV because you have never found "YOUR GUY".......
Proudly Canadian....

Posted by: KuBaSSa at May 3, 2004 1:17:15 PM

Hi everyone...

I think is time to look the clasified section of the newspaper and find some dishnetwork....for less than 200 you can get it....forget it about the 60 movies that you had on directv ppv´s, but, for the moment, it´s a good option while the hackers find the way to crack the h4 card....

Posted by: Ric at May 3, 2004 1:29:12 PM

No P4 Hack.... Yea Right!!

Hey listen man... the hack is the fact!!!! Do you think that if the Big Men and the Government have their way, we would be breathing free AIR (oxygen). Hell no!! So you know what if you want to think that the hack is not a fact then get your head out of the hole that I just left my pile in and sniff fresh air for that is what freedom is all about. The P4 Hack is coming and it will be here in a couple of weeks. The guys are just finishing off right now and waiting on the hardware to run it. I love my free PPV and I will wait even a year for it. All I have to do is get some free cable and make use of my wife on the off channels in the mean time. my condolances for all you law abiding pencil neck.

D Dude...

Posted by: D Dude at May 4, 2004 3:31:01 PM

well, stupid is as stupid does! Maybe if you EVRYONE paid for a min SUB, and added we would still be enjoying Xtra TV, but greed spoils all....enuff said

Posted by: Scrounger at May 4, 2004 7:15:29 PM

WTF?..I'll believe it when I see it period....

Posted by: wtf at May 5, 2004 4:40:05 PM

Dave was going to protect his investment regardless of how many minimum subs he acquired. What is important to understand is that while we live in a technologically advanced world, it is a place driven by market, competition and cash. Murdoch has a lot... your average Joe hacker doesn't. Who will really win in the end? Sure, it was a free ride... well...compared to now ... but compromising the P4/5 requires expert technology and equipment. The HU was never hacked in the true sense. This card is built to self-destruct. Those who say... "everything can be reversed, hacked... whatever..." need to remember there are some large weird shaped buildings in Egypt that have several areas that haven't been "hacked" ... or more to today's point... "unlocked" in over 3500 years. OK, so I rambled.

Posted by: Rick at May 6, 2004 2:39:18 PM

As a canadian what pisses me off is that i would gladly pay for direct tv or any dish company the $ if i could get the complete baseball package , but being canadian there is no legal way to watch all the baseball i want to watch and it really bums me out, why cant we watch baseball!!! go A"s

Posted by: baseball fan at May 7, 2004 10:18:13 AM

I pay for DirecTV and I am allowed to receive two of the major networks. The problem I have is I can't receive the other two and they won't sign a release for me to receive the LA/NYC broadcast. I have tried a couple different antennas but reception in my area is poor, all though it has an A rating for reception. I also agree that the price is far greater than it should be. I feel that I am paying for DirecTV to go after the pirates. If they lowered their prices then most people that are receiving there signal with out paying would probably pay for it. If DirecTV had 70% of the none paying people then they would be receiving more money than they are paying to prosecute them. I believe that after all the court appeals that DirecTV is going to lose. How can you prosecute me for some thing I didn't do, that is like the GOVERMENT going after the owners of guns because they can kill. The owner of the equipment determines the action of the equipment not the equipment itself.

Posted by: William at May 8, 2004 7:57:20 PM

Has anyone heard about gx technology ? I understand they have a P4 fix.
Jim

Posted by: jim at May 8, 2004 8:52:05 PM

Quote from Tom:"There is no P-4 hack right now... So, if you come across a webste that clams they have one they are scammers and there is a lot of them out there right now"....."As a member the the best dss website on he next atsdss.com there are too many people there in the busniess that it could be hidden"

Your site is garbage. The hack is out there. Is it available to the masses? NO. Why, because it's too difficult right now for your laymen. So will that change? Absolutely! Mark my words, in the next 42 days. Will it be pricey? OF COURSE! Hackers need to get paid just like everyone.

Posted by: Cyrax at May 9, 2004 6:16:08 PM

I just find it interesting how this string took a massive turn...Early on it was about how "hacking isn't about getting free stuff...it's about learning the technology."

Now it's all about "hackers need to get paid before it's free to the masses."

Maybe it's true that DTV charges far too much for its services, and whoever made the point about getting opposite coast feeds makes an excellent argument. HOWEVER, people that hack the security codes and then sell it to make big bucks off of it are no better than the company charging high prices to begin with. In fact, DTV most likely charges higher prices because so many people hack the crap out of their system...

my two cents...

Posted by: Steve at May 10, 2004 11:55:31 AM

THIRD PARTY SUPPORTCHANGE THEIR NAME TO ANY BODY KNOW

Posted by: jim at May 10, 2004 3:11:34 PM

Well hello everone I am new and would like to know if the hu cards are still working. If so where can i go to get the fix for them. Like i said i am new and have only worked with the hu cards.

Posted by: Patrick at May 11, 2004 10:20:34 AM

Hey Jim...

Do you bother reading anything before you post???

Posted by: Jay at May 11, 2004 12:32:15 PM

Hey Jim...

Do you bother reading anything before you post???

Posted by: Jay at May 11, 2004 12:32:35 PM

just wait till they come out

Posted by: mario cruz at May 11, 2004 1:17:57 PM

If there is a P4 hack, am I out of luck having only a P5 card?

Posted by: TheMan at May 11, 2004 5:13:06 PM

Hey jim I have 7 HU cards that I fixed personnaly that I will sell you for $100 each (hey hey)

Posted by: HU cards at May 12, 2004 5:02:20 PM

All i know is pretty soon im gonna have free porn agian!!!!
i think we all need to help and contrubute some $$$ for those who haved sucefully hacked the p4

im willing to donate 10 bucks!!!!!!
shoot if 10 bucks will get me 3 years of free porn then its all worth it........ hell ill even be happy watching some info mercials
or that damn nasa channel

Posted by: master "P" 4 at May 12, 2004 7:45:20 PM

Here is some plain and simple logic. There is not a p4 hack and here is why: You people act like the first guy to hack it is gonna be the only guy to hack it. He can just sit on it until the price is right and then cash in. THATS BS. Its a race. Many people are workig on it. If someone hacks it and sits on it they are going to lose out. It only takes one more person to hack it, and foil the monopoly. If it were hacked and not out, that would be like a person that runs a marathon and then stops Just before the finish line to admire his race. "Hacking it" is not complete until it is out to the public. Thats the finish line. Until then its not hacked, its just some whackers in their basement watching free porn. To the people that "claim" to have it hacked, $hit or get off the pot.

Posted by: Logic man at May 13, 2004 11:45:56 AM

What card is better p4 or p5?

Posted by: Bill at May 13, 2004 7:23:41 PM

I already have the cracks for the P6, P7 & P8 cards as well so bring it on Davy boy. I will still watch free tv.

This is whole thread is one steaming mound of horse s**t! First off, all the do-gooders condemming the dtv hackers probably have a slew of illegal software and MP3 files on their systems. I work as a computer programmer/tech and have yet to see a system 100% legitimate. Yes even some of the retailers install pirated software onto your system before you buy it. So unless your hard drive is totally clean of anything like this I wouldn't be in any hurry to shoot my mouth off about someone else's illegal activities.

As for the ones that claim to have seen someones uncle, who has a friend, who knows somebody who claims he has a cousin in Timbuktu that has a hack..... BS!

Or better yet! they have the hack but they won't release it until they have the hardware. Think about that for a second! Now just how in the hell would you hack something if you admit you don't have the tools to do it with?

These forums area a hoot and I finally figured out a way I can make a small fortune in these places. No I am not going to sell any of my present or future DAVEY BOY hacks. I am going to open an inline pharmacy and start selling prozac, valium, and xanax to all you goofballs who all have an opinion and don't know jack!

Posted by: webwizard at May 14, 2004 10:14:46 PM

I already have the cracks for the P6, P7 & P8 cards as well so bring it on Davy boy. I will still watch free tv.

As for the ones that claim to have seen someones uncle, who has a friend, who knows somebody who claims he has a cousin in Timbuktu that has a hack..... BS!

lol bill i agree.

Posted by: cash$$ at May 16, 2004 10:26:21 PM

Does anybody know which card is the best to buy? P4 or P5?
Are both cards compatible with the receivers thst came with the Hu card?
Is there any significance to serial numbers on P4 cards, such as 0008? Thanks

Posted by: Stuart at May 17, 2004 9:48:23 AM

you know what?maybe if there was less crap for these so called hackers to read on the net, they may get there p4/d1/p5 card hack finished. but they are probably reading so much of this B.S, and laughing so dam hard at you all they can't work on what needs to be done.but thats just my own personal thought. who really cares who pays for what and how much, the way i see it is, mind your own dam business and clean up your own backyard b4 you point your fingers at what others are doing.sorry but the B.S out there is getting so dam annoying.

Posted by: Mapleleaf69 at May 17, 2004 11:03:10 AM

In reply to the gentleman that was wondering what card to buy p4 or p5. The answer is neither. Save your money. These cards are not hacked nor will they ever be. The "method" to "glitch" into a card has been fixed. This is the way that previous cards were reprogrammed. With that fixed there is only one key that gets you into these cards and that is the best kept secret at DTV headquarters. Sorry to be the one to bust your bubble but you missed the days of free Direct Tv.

Posted by: yo dog at May 17, 2004 12:45:45 PM

well guess what? The P4 hack is OUT! Alot of people just dont know about it yet, but don't worry that'll soon change. And if you don't believe me...let me know and i'll direct you to where you can get your card programmed to receive all channels. What's the difference between the P4 and P5? From what I know...there is no difference. The P4 was put out by directv themselves and the P5 was subcontracted (by directv) out to another company to make the cards.

Posted by: Labyrinth at May 18, 2004 10:27:57 AM

Some one now, if there's a reasen to keep the HU card...?

Posted by: Ballo at May 18, 2004 11:38:21 AM

I guess that hacking is no only about just play with technology is also about making this world more fair, Look at me I live in an embargoed contry by the United States. So far the hacking/piracy has provided my contry with software and media(including not only TV but also books an all sort of information as books and magazines) not available before the internet fenomena that also increased the hacking. Hacking is also a way for a better world. A way to laught at stupid politicians and welathy ones that try to screw somebody else.

Posted by: halplus at May 18, 2004 2:16:58 PM

Anyone who knows the true agenda(and how they made their$$$$$) of the corporations who own satellite programming would laugh uncontrollably at the ones who say they are "stealing" signals. These corps did not become multi billion and trillion dollar orgs. by playing fairly and being moral and ethical. If I can "steal" off of them and pay a hacker instead I will do it. They walk on the backs of honest, hardworking people for a living because we allow them to.If you want it to stop then stop supporting what they are selling at such high costs! It is not the hackers who are the problem! It is the ones who pay legally for it because they can afford it.(See Yuppies) If you want to know what's really going on in the world see www.davidicke.com if you dare!...Nick88

Posted by: Nick Kennedy at May 19, 2004 4:51:47 PM

Yes Nick, you're right, it's all the yuppies fault for creating the market economy and that makes it a-ok to pay some hacker to let you steal satellite signals.

Sounds like perfect logic to me.

Posted by: Matt Haughey at May 19, 2004 4:59:21 PM

For all the do-gooders that are slamming the hackers. i agree with the post above that says it all. If you think Dave is a victim of all this. Wow are you gullable. Just like Microsoft is a victim of Piracy. Please. they are both very corrupt to the core. My only point is this and I'm sure many will say BS, but so be it.

If you steal cable, you are doing just that: tapping into someones physical property and running a piece of wire from theirs. But if someone or entity is going to broadcast a signal into the free air that I breath, and I am smart enough to figure out a way to descramble that signal, a be entertained by it. Then how in the world could that be illegal. I am not threatening National Security. I'm not giving away any secrets of life. So it's BS.

If the cable company started digging on my property and running wires without my consent I could sue, yet Dave can broadcast a signal to every square inch of the hemisphere, strait onto my property, and I cannot touch that signal unless I PAY them? What a load of horse shit!

Anyway, say what you want. Say I am full of it. But the P4 hack is out there, but it's not going to last long anyway, because Dave just signed a contract with NDS for the European system which hasn't even been mildly breached in 2 years of constant effort. And those new cards (Gold cards) will be out and distributed in 1 and 1/2 years, so the P4 crack will be short lived once it's easy enough for the masses to pay the hacking saites the money that they want for their efforts.

And by the way, the other post had it backwards. The P4 is an NDS card, the P5/D1 is strictly Dave's creation. The P4 is hacked just not available. The p5 is unknown.

And to answer the final question, if you want to hold onto your HU cards you can. Because if you load a no745 program, then you can order Pay per view events currently and watch the. Also you can get all the music channels with a good 3m script still. But other then that the HU is useless because the stream is dead.

Posted by: Cyrax at May 19, 2004 7:21:53 PM

I am in Jamaica and we cannot order Direct TV and pay for it legally so we have to hack the system. I think that if direct tv would lower the rates and expand the service they would earn additional millions of dollars. We currently have a demand for P4 cards and a way to get the programs. Can some one assist?

Posted by: robotek at May 20, 2004 8:25:16 PM

Jamaican, drop me a line I might be able to help you.

Posted by: ckob1308 at May 23, 2004 7:17:16 AM

I heard today on 102.7 kiss fm at 4 pm that jojo on the radio said last night he knew that fantasia was the winner cause a good friend on the west coast somewhere told him he saw it on DTV eastcoast fox on a hacked system he said "you know one of those illegal ones"
does that mean?
whats he got working?
I wonder...

Posted by: darth at May 27, 2004 7:14:16 PM

you know what!try desh network now! that one till working !

Posted by: buckman at May 27, 2004 10:28:27 PM

you know what!try desh network now! that one till working !

Posted by: buckman at May 27, 2004 10:28:56 PM

From the beginning of radio communication the precept was freedom of the airwaves 'if you can receive it, you can listen, watch..'. That those historic legal precedents were changed by some lobbyists passing around some cash on Capitol Hill doen't impress me in the least. If it passes through the air and we have a way to receive it, we should be able to. I suppose you do gooders would have been slapping the Pinkerton's on the back when they were shooting striking workers who wanted better pay etc.. Capitol Hill and lobbyists were behind that too and all in the name of industry. Dave's smiling.

Posted by: dr strange at May 29, 2004 1:04:32 PM

Hacking is a strange way to put this I beleive Hacking is when you worm your way into someones personal system. If you can purchase the equipment and the hardware, software to make it work why is it illegal? I turn on my radio and change stations whats the differance??Air waves are everyones.Its just a game of cat and mouse and always will be, the rich and powerful being the mouse. The cat always catches up sooner or later. As far as the HU stream being dead then why does it still work to some extent, Humm sell more and different programers, hardware and software. Just a game.Hu P4 P5 ect. If theres moneys to be made? The new fix is on the way they just have to set the price.

Posted by: HUBAN at May 30, 2004 5:35:43 AM

Could someone direct me to the best DISH network hack information ?
Thanks,
samIam

Posted by: samIam at May 31, 2004 6:36:01 AM

its already done. pretty much repeating what roge said, just because YOU dont have it yet doesnt mean it isnt done. people out there dont have social lives. these types of challenges are their hobbies and lives. and its not always about the money. there's just pride in having it because YOU took the time, and not distributing it will force others to learn instead of borrow.

Posted by: dr wannabe matrix names are stupid at Jun 1, 2004 12:13:47 AM

Where are these "no 745 programs" you speak of? I'd love to still be able to get Free PPV. Do these really exist or are they like a P4 hack? Which is, Great idea, but no material proof. If this No745 program exixst I'd love to see it. Thanks.

Posted by: Shizzle dog at Jun 1, 2004 6:40:57 AM

(Where are these "no 745 programs" you speak of? I'd love to still be able to get Free PPV. Do these really exist or are they like a P4 hack? Which is, Great idea, but no material proof. If this No745 program exixst I'd love to see it. Thanks.)

I'm sorry but I cannot invite you to a secured site to get a "No745", and if you have no clue what a "No745" is, then I really don't need to give it to you. You have to understand that this is secretive business and no one is just going to "invite" you where the gold is. And for all of you that say "BS" about 745's and P4 hacks, what ever. I'm just trying to help get information out to quell misconceptions I owe you nothing. It's a hobby that should be legal since I can get radio signals for free. "intellectual property my ass". But the P4 hack is out, just not released, because after hit hits the stream for 18 hours it dies, but that will be fixed soon enough. Also they do not have the hardware for the masses yet. Then how do they get into it was asked above? DUH, they have the hardware for themselves, just not for the hundreds of thousands of pirates in the general public. And finding a manufacturer to build a broderline illegal device by the thousands isn't in the yellowpages. So when they find their manufacturer they trust, and resolve the 18 hour issue, the P4 hack will be released.

To reply to "HUBAN" (As far as the HU stream being dead then why does it still work to some extent, Humm sell more and different programers, hardware and software.) The HU stream isn't completly dead. But they have removed the video packets, so unless you are a blind person just listening to Direct Tv it's dead.

Posted by: Cyrax at Jun 12, 2004 7:04:35 PM

Cyrax, All I hear is more Blah Blah blah. You are yet, just another whiner that insists that the P4 hack is out and you are just lucky or cool enough to be in the "click" that has it hacked. You have all the right friends and all the right equipment.
Dude, you are so full of Crap that everyone here reading this has to laugh at you.
Here is a Helpful hint to help along this debate that we all keep having on this thread. IF YOU DONT HAVE PROOF that the P4 hack is out or these No745 programs exist, THEN JUST SHUT UP! YOU ARE FULL OF BS. DONT ARGUE UNLESS YOU CAN BACK IT UP. If it is so Secret and Underground then why are you posting out here and leaving a trail of your IP address. Don't you think if you are really in the underground world you want to reamain as anonamous as possible. You sir are a full on Moron. You are just a wishful thinker who does not understand the concept of smart card programing. You were a leach on the HU hack community (meaning you did not contribute to its success you only reeped its benefits) and you have no Idea why HU could be hacked and why the P4 will not be hacked. Your pointless drivle and tales of a ficticous P4 hack benefits no one. Just quit posting your diareah of the mouth.

Posted by: Shizzle dog at Jun 16, 2004 7:10:28 AM

IF! IF! IF P4 is hacked. AND I EMPHASIZE "IF". It boils down to this. There are 2 kinds of people....
The first kind are those that don't have the hack and chat on line and post on boards trying to see if it exixts and how they can get their hands on it.
And the SECOND kind who have it hacked and they just keep quite and enjoy the benefits themselves. Because they know if they are to get caught distributing it the peanalty is large.

THE kind of person that does not exist is the kind that has it hacked and then come out to message boards to brag about it and is not interested in sharing it. These people are full of $HlT. Why would you come and claim you "know people" and put your self at risk of being tracked down. PEOPLE THAT ARE SMART ENOUGH TO HACK THESE THINGS ARE NOT DUMB ENOUGH TO TALK ABOUT IT PUBILICALY.

Posted by: right on at Jun 17, 2004 6:54:37 AM

For Shizzle Dog:

If you would slow down enough and take the time to read what I post and how I post it, you would understand some very basic things.
I said point blank: 1. The P4 hack goes down 18 hours after it is introduced into the data stream, so it is not "working" as you would like to say.
2. I never said I am sitting here watching a working P4 from some secret underground society. It is just in work.
3. I never insinuated that "No745" works on P4's or D1's. It is from the HU scripts i.e. (Call ext 745 to start service). It is a quite common file in many satellite hacking community rooms. So my suggestion was: (If you are a person that does not have access to even the lamest DSS community board then I don't need to give you the address to one, because you would be the type to receive such a file and hook your phone line up to your receiver, thus killing that file for all who uses that particular one.)
4. Am I a leech of the HU community? Absolutely! I am not as proficient in programming technology and freely admit that. But I do accel in cicuit/electronics technology, which is my business. Which all comes together in a joint effort.
5. The true hacking "program writers" which I do not personally know, are what I consider the brilliant people, are the ones who laugh at these message boards (both you and I). And they are closer then most think, but still not effectively in it.
6. In an earlier post, I plainly stated that it all doesn't matter anyway, because when the European cards are introduced in about 1 1/2 years, it is over for all the hackers for Directv. They have been trying for 2 years steady and haven't even dented them yet.
7. Finally, I am just trying to answer questions to the best of my ability. As far as the geniuses that write the programs I am on the outside looking in as all of you are. But I am participating on a component level. It is a hobby, plain and simple. No secret societies, no wonder worlds, a hobby. But if you think that it'll never be cracked beyond 18 hours, then you sir are the moron.

Posted by: Cyrax at Jun 20, 2004 7:45:08 AM

If you are only interested in watching ppv and pornos, go for blackbird fta, until dtv crack comes out. You can see upto 4 sats that runs on nagravision 1 encryption. For instance I have 3 dish and watching channels from ( dishnetwork ) echostar 110, echostart 119, echostart 61.5 and ( expressvu ) nimiq 91. I get who knows how many ppv, season ticket, like 25 pornos channels, which include venus channels from canda ( This is real porno, not that sorry porn from vivid tv, hotzone dtv channels ), plus international channels such as aljazera etc.

And I will post in 1 week, informing you guys whether there is a crack for directv. So stay tune!

Posted by: navy at Jun 21, 2004 10:51:13 PM

Navy,

It is July 4th, you were going to post in one week! Are you ok? did you get picked up by the cops? :)

Posted by: Mr.Vain at Jul 4, 2004 1:47:43 PM

Believe me or don't - I don't care. I'm just bored at work and need something to do.

I'm a Technical Tier 2 EC for DirecTV. Of course, I'm not even supposed to web surfing while working, but it's a slow day. For those who care, yes, there is a P4 hack. Whoop de do. Everyone saw it comming. Hell, the only reason why it was so much harder to crack (besides the several million dollars spent to make it hard to hack) was the fact that the company who previously engineered and manufactured the access cards for us (NDS Ltd.) was selling secrets on how to hack them. We're making our own cards now, of course, but they're just as hackable.

There is easier way for free DTV, tho. An EC like myself can authorize or disconnect any service on any access card, and adjust pricing. Hell, there's not a DTV board meber who doesn't have every channel, 24/7, through a legit service. We even have a few here at work, for troubleshooting purposes. If you're already so determined to get free DTV, just make a friend on the inside.

Posted by: AirWolfe at Jul 11, 2004 4:10:30 PM

AirWolfe will you be my friend? lol

Posted by: max pain at Jul 12, 2004 11:26:04 PM

You dont have to believe me if you dont want but this is the President of DTV. There is not a hack for the p4 card and there never will be one. I'll explain. See to get the p4 card to work we got a shrink laser. We shrunk down little Chineese people and implanted them with a tiny cell phone inside the P4 card. Yes, thats right, the card is their house, they live in it. When we decide to change codes or you unsubscribe, we call the little people in the card on their tiny cell phone and they throw the propper switches. I know what you are thinking, you are thinking if you can get the phone number of that little china man you will just call him and tell him to turn on all of your channels? Well you would be thinking wrong. See as the president of the company, only I know the secret chineese password. With out the password they little china men will not obey your orders to turn on service or change programming. So you see folks, there will be no hacking us this time.

Posted by: President of DTV at Jul 13, 2004 9:54:56 AM

... You'd think the president of DirecTV would be able to spell simple words. Not too bad, though. At least you were somewhat creative. However, if there is data created, data can be modified. It just takes a bit of time, and the right people.

Posted by: Abaddon at Jul 13, 2004 11:26:07 AM

HELLO TO ALL and to all a GOODNIGHT

Posted by: GOODOLDBOY at Jul 13, 2004 7:29:41 PM

P4 finally hacked by the Cubans.

Posted by: Alex at Jul 14, 2004 10:35:19 PM

Yes, I hear the Cubans claim to have the system beat. Apparently they have made a deal with the Chinese to trade Cigars for control over the little people inside my direct tv cards. This is why we are already deploying next generation P5 cards that is the same concept except this time we used little mexican people instead of chineese.

Posted by: President of DTV at Jul 15, 2004 6:01:47 AM

Hi Air Wolfe could you be my friend I am in Jamaica and need a friend like you to get hook up to DTV

Posted by: Bush Doctor at Jul 15, 2004 6:03:28 AM

Jamaican Dude and anyone else intrested : Send me $100 US dollars and i'll send u a 5 year all-open P4 .

Posted by: Osama Bin at Jul 15, 2004 11:26:10 AM

HAHA yeah RIGHT!! Send me 50 bucks and I'll send you a 10 year P4 card.
Dude First off P4 and P5 wont even be around in 2 years so dont sell a 5 year sub to some sucker.

Second of all you can not deliver such an Item so spare us.

Thrid do you expect anyone to trust you with $100 on your word that you will deliver a product that none of us have proof even exists.

Posted by: Shizzle dog at Jul 16, 2004 1:19:20 PM

Osama Bin, Send me a P4 card with all the channels, if it works I will send you US$150.

Posted by: Bush Doctor at Jul 17, 2004 9:48:46 PM

How about if you just deliver some kind of proof that you have the product to sell. Make a small video clip of the unlocked card working and flipping throught the PPV channels. This will at least prove you have the product to sell. Until then I'd agree with the others. Its like you are selling a Unicorn. Not only is it a hard to find product, no one has even proven it exists yet. Can't blindly throw away 100 bucks. But prove it works and we'll deal.

Posted by: harry at Jul 19, 2004 6:13:08 AM

Sorry, guys, but they're won't be any free programming via myself, although I can help to clarify a few things.

First off, there will never be a P5 card. Or, if there will be, the guys in the engineering department can't count. The next generation card is called P11. Why? I dunno. It just is. And it's already being used. Hell, I bet half the people who believe they have a P4 card really have a P11. Is your card silver on the top and bottom of the front and have pretty blue swirls in the middle? That's a P11 card - it won't say that anywhere on the card, but that what it is.

The P4 cards, in contrast, actually say 'Access Card: 4' right on the front, and are violet with blue arrows.

And as for the individual impersonating Mitch Stern, have you ever actually seen the guy? DTV's CEO and President isn't exactly the most attractive person you'll ever meet. Have you ever seen Master of Disguise? Mitch is kinda like the turtle character, but with a comb-over. And glasses. Wilma from Scooby-Doo glasses.

Although, I do have to admit, you made me laugh. Kudos for that.

Posted by: AirWolfe at Jul 19, 2004 6:15:46 PM

And Shizzle is correct; P4 cards (and P11, for that matter) will not be in circulation longer than 2 or 3 years, so the idea of a 5-year card is ridiculous. In fact, I'd be impressed to see a hacked card that lasts longer than a month without having to be reauthorized.

Posted by: AirWolfe at Jul 19, 2004 6:34:46 PM

Air Wolfe, we need to talk off air. You should come and visit Jamaica Man. Drop me a line. robotek@anngel.com.jm

Posted by: Bush Doctor at Jul 19, 2004 6:51:32 PM

Now for almost a month I am one of the hundreds of satisfied customers using a hacked working P4 kindly provided by Mr.Bin
So if u choose to continue watching local TV and rented videos, well, suit yourself.

Posted by: Lucky Guy at Jul 19, 2004 10:38:39 PM

Notice how 'Lucky Guy' has never posted before? And how he spells just as well as Osama Bin himself?

Posted by: AirWolfe at Jul 20, 2004 9:28:09 AM

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